A Little Shy

Here is another from the Christmas dress session.  This is the other little girl's older sister.  She is almost 5 and has beautiful long red hair (many people are jealous).  Anyway, back to the image for critique.  Again, I used the same set up for the hair light in my previous post and based on what was brought to my attention then, I don't think it is bright enough in this image either.  Sorry, I'll leave those comments to you guys.

Thanks in advance,

Travis
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« Last Edit: January 19, 2008, 10:36:59 AM by Travis Minnig »
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Cute shot Travis, I'll let the others spank you. :=)

Hands? placement.

Sweet little one. TFS
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She is a cutie (I love the expression) and I AM jealous of that hair. 

Oddly enough I don't think this image NEEDS the hairlight like the last one did.  The last one was good without it but it just would have been killer with it. 

Hand placement:  I would have had her put one hand on top of the other one in a more formal fashion.  I think the whole image would benefit from a little more contrast and maybe a little brightening.  I had to look at it from two different monitors before I said that. 
Otherwise I like the pose, the lighting seems fine (but others here are much more educated about studio lights than I am).  I like the crop and the whole tone of the image.

Travis, compared to some of your early work I think you are improving by leaps and bounds.  Good job.
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Ok, I am going to nitpick a bit after taking another look.  Straightening the dress a little in the front so it didn't have a gap would have been helpful.  I know it's hard with her hands together like that.  Perhaps having a binder clip (you know, the clamp things) on hand to clamp the dress a little in the back on a pose like this would help.  I keep binder clips on hand for bridal shoots, especially if they haven't had their final fitting yet.  Just be careful not to pull the fabric so tight it ruins it or causes marks.  While working with children maybe you could have a parent do that so you aren't responsible for doing something to the clothes.
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Monte Zucker used to say ESP, Expression Sells Portraits. This one ought to sell!

Critique. I know how hard it can be to deal with shy children so I think you have done an admirable job here.  I think I would have added about 1/2 stop more light to the fill light to lighten up the shadows in the folds of her dress and generally brighten up the whole image. This can be done in Photoshop but it usually makes the image look a little strange. 

I would have shot this one and several more like it making slight changes in head tilt etc (I call these shots insurance shots in case she rebels or starts crying when you attempt to pose her for the rest of the session) then I tell her I want to change her hands a little and I repose them. If she doesn't balk I will continue to refine the pose.

Benji
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My opinion as a non-studio expert:
I think the background is fine.  It fits with the darker tone of the dress.  I hate when backgrounds are fancy and distracting.  I love that the focus is on the girl.
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Hey Travis-  Thanks for posting! Big Grin

Y'all know my computer and screen are "sick" and needs to be replaced, however, compared to other images on this board. this one seem a bit muddy due to underexposure and lacks somewhat in shadow detail.  The tilt is too much- she is listing.  Camera or post production tilts work better in head and shoulders and thigh close up portraits because there is no vertical frame of reference.  Tilts can be very dynamic as long as the effect does not call attention to itself. 

The "darkness of the images seem to exaggerate the slightly darker pigmentation under here eyes- that makes here look tired. 

When there is a lack of shadow detail in the hair and it tends to blend into the background- a hair light will not necessarily remedy the situation.  Accent lights will not put detail in where it does not exist in the first place- in fact the addition of a hair light to such an image will only create a light trap which will distract from the subject's face. 

Hands-  It is hard to get kids to pose their hands- it will usually "stiffen" the up. Sometimes I provide a prop such as the back of a classic or rustic char where the can rest their hands in a more natural way.  Sometimes a subtle prop like a little teddy bear (in a dark color) will help define the hands.  Props, however have to be use subtlety so that the do not inject distraction into the scene.

Hope this helps.  Ed 
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Ed Shapiro
The Hintonburg Studio
Suite 201  78 Hinton Avenue North
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA  K1Y 0Z8
613-792-4837    Email:  edshapiro@rogers.com

When there is a lack of shadow detail in the hair and it tends to blend into the background- a hair light will not necessarily remedy the situation.  Accent lights will not put detail in where it does not exist in the first place- in fact the addition of a hair light to such an image will only create a light trap which will distract from the subject's face. 

Ed, what would be your suggestion then?  Just a brighter exposure?  I am sorry, but I don't understand if you are saying it is a problem with the placements of the lights or the exposure.  Thanks for your help.  I am just trying to learn.
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Hi Travis!

I put your image in Photoshop and simply brightened it.  The shadow detail is there aalthough the image which I origenally appeard on my screen is dark.That can be my faulty screed or an indication that you posted an image that ended up too dark.  My screen is out of callibration so it is probably my fault.

Anyway- When the image was brighter, many of the compositional elements fell into place the thair- the leaning and so fourth- all better.

The imageg could have used a bit morr space around it- the cropping was a little bit off but everything else, as I said, fell into place-  GOOD JOB! Thanks for the heads up!
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Ed Shapiro
The Hintonburg Studio
Suite 201  78 Hinton Avenue North
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA  K1Y 0Z8
613-792-4837    Email:  edshapiro@rogers.com

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