calibratingLibrary Thread

I just attempted to calibrate my monitor to some prints I got back from my new album company.  They were unexpectedly a little dark and contrasty.  So after I adjusted my monitor to match what I saw I can't get used to it.  Everything looks horrible.  GRRR. 
Does this happen like this to anyone else?
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They didn't do any processing to them, did they?
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No.....  I don't think so...
They were from Zookbinders.  I am going to call right now.
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Are you eyeballing it to match what's printed or are you using a hardware calibration device?  It's difficult, and sort of pointless, to try and eyeball it since our eyes don't see printed colors quite the same as monitor colors.  Plus, since the light falling on your monitor changes throughout the day the calibration changes too.  My little $100 Huey reads room light and adjusts every hour or so and reminds me every couple of weeks to recalibrate.
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I am eyeballing it  Big Grin  I know, I suck
I actually used the Adobe Gamma thingy, with the image up in the background that I printed. 
Let me ask you Ryan, since your monitor is probably in a lot better shape than mine.  Does this image appear dark and contrasty and slightly reddish on your end?

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I should note that I checked and the posted version here looks very very very similar to what I am seeing in Photoshop.  I know sometimes there is a difference.
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I pulled it up in Photoshop and it looks really good.  Maybe a little red around her left cheek, but my guess is that's more makeup than color balance. 

One thing I've had problems with in the past is embedding the wrong color profile.  White House used to only accept sRGB files and I sent one to them that was Adobe RGB by mistake and it came back looking bad.  They've since fixed it to where they'll accept any profile.
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I have never had a problem with any other lab.  I am going to set my monitor back to how it was.
When I called Zookbinders they said they didn't touch the files, they were straight prints and the technician I was talking to said that she didn't think my images looked bad on her side.  I am pulling a Travis and being too picky I think.  Smiley 
I am going to lighten the image just a touch and resend it as another test print, they said they would print as many as I wanted to get it right.
If it looks good I am going to just remember to lighten before I send to them.  I am not going to be sending a ton of albums to them, so it shouldn't be hard.  I am using them for their flushmount photobooks only and only for boudoir stuff.
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Can't you send Zook prints from another lab and have them just bind them?  Maybe I'm thinking of another binder, but I thought Zook offered that as an option.  If they do you could get them printed from a lab you're familiar with.

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I am pulling a Travis and being too picky I think.
There's nothing wrong with that. 
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They can, and that's what I did before their new print to bind service came along.... but it's such a pain to number stuff, package it and ship it, not to mention that it makes for a longer turn around time.
And, you can't do that with these new photobooks anyway because of how they are bound, or something.

I'll just send more test prints and see what I can figure out. 
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reddish yep.
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Thanks Mike
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Susie, has the lab you've been using recently been adjusting your images at all?  Maybe Zookbinders didn't touch them, but your regular lab has been making minor corrections.  You also have to realize that they are probably using different printers with different profiles for them as well, and different papers, etc.

The image looks reddish to me, too.  It's not dark or contrasty here, but you have to realize that the paper can't reproduce what you see on the computer.  This is partly because RGB values below about 8 will go solid black with no detail on most papers and also because the images we see on the computer are backlit, and prints are reflected light.  Viewing conditions and editing conditions can also have an affect.  Not to mention that caffeine, stress, exhaustion, and lateness of the hour all can change the way our eyes and brains percieve what we see.

OK, so maybe I'm too picky... but I doubt it Big Grin .  Once you start trying to match your screen with your printed output, you will gain an understanding of the potential frustration and technicalities to making everything match.  If you don't want to invest in the time and expense of getting it figured out, you really need to just find a lab that can reproduce what you want consistently and let them have at it.  You will still do your editing, but your lab will make final color and contrast adjustments for making the prints the way you expect them to be.  Find a lab that will spend the time to do this for you.  Talk with Zookbinders and work out with them what it will take to get your prints how you want them to be; from then on all will be good.  As long as they have some good technicians and a consistent and well-calibrated system (which I am sure they do), you will be just fine with editing the way you are used to.

Travis
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I go through fits just trying to gets prints to match from my own printer. Using paper profiles and a spyder pro on the monitor I have problems. I do a lot of b&w, so I know part of the problem is that I don't have a dedicated printer.
As far as recalibrating all the time, I'm about ready to redo my office again. (My wife is just going to be thrilled) I freshened it up a little over a year ago with red walls and all new wood trim. Later I started using it as my editing space I realized what a mistake that was. During the day calibrating is hell with the sun filtering in through the window throwing red light all over the place.
So the new plan is 18% grey walls, track lights on a dimmer switch, and some way to better control the window light without blacking out the whole thing. I'm also tired of not having a workstation I'm happy with. I've started using two monitors and my desk really isn't made fot it. Things are a bit cramped on there now. I tempted to build my own If I can get enough space cleared out in the barn to build a station for computer, printers etc. I'm also working out how to have a lightbox built into the wall. Kind of a modified version of the thing to view x-rays at the doctors office. My biggest prints would be matted 22x28 so I want it built eye level in to save space.
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Red walls?  Oh my gosh, that just saved me the same frustration.  I moved my computer into the main living area of my house about two years ago so I wasn't so isolated from my family while processing weddings.  The walls where I am at are currently white.  A couple days ago I picked up a ton of red paint samples at the store because I was about to paint my dining room red, which is where my monitor is right now!!!!
Ok, I will hold off on that.  Thanks.

Travis, I was teasing about the picky thing.  And no, the last two labs I have used didn't color correct at all.  I made sure of it, especially in the beginning so I could make sure I liked the results.  When I started printing with Snelson's recently I had a little problem with red in my prints, more so than from the other lab.  I fixed it to where I was satisfied.
Zook is just now starting to do prints, well it's been a year or so.  They don't do any color correcting at all.  I talked to a technician on the phone for a long time yesterday.  I really don't want to have different color profiles set up for each lab, because I want to edit a picture once, not each time depending on where I process.  So I think I am going to get work to get good prints from Zook that are straight prints and then let Snelson's (local lab) do color correcting.
Sound like a good plan???  I thought about it all last night.  Now I am tired... guess I better get some caffeine.... oh wait...
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