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So I am preparing to teach this basic class about photography and I wondered.  How do you "learn" how to take pictures.  I mean, what is photography really about at a base level?
This is is what it is for me personally:
Proper exposure is 50%
Composing is 20%
Depth of field and lens effects are 15%
Photoshop is 15%

I don't even know if that explains what I am asking though. 
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There are three things you MUST have to take a good photo.

1. You have to be there
2. You have to have a camera that you know how to operate.
3. You have to notice.

If my understanding is correct, you're not teaching a photography class but how to take better pictures.

Remember those little cameras are going to do most of the exposure work, all based on averages so DOF is really hard to control

One thing I did at the last safari I taught was I went to the hardware and bought a hand full of 1/4 x 20 x 2" eye bolts and some string.

take the string and tie about five feet to an eye bolt then screw the eye bolt into the tripod hole and stand on the other end, helps hold the camera steady.


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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

I'll add one to Bob's list.  4 - You have to press the shutter.  Most people I know that don't take photographs for more than a quick record of the event take one shot and are done.  Especially now that everything's digital there's no reason not to take several shots of a single subject. 
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Bob - Yeah, I wasn't going to even cover exposure or DOF.
So I am down to composing and PP, and I also don't want to cover PP, most people will probably just have the software that came with their cameras.

I have kicked around the idea of offering one on one PS lessons to friends, family and models that have asked.  I would teach basic stuff like cropping, color correction, correcting bad exposures, and black and white conversion... but I seriously don't have the time right now...  They'll have to wait Smiley
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2. You have to have a camera that you know how to operate.


Crap! I was with you till that one!

 Big Grin Flash Drinks

...Sorry Susie


I think that Composition is worth more than you have it listed here.
But that could be because everytime I hand over my camera to someone at my kids birthday party, Im apauled at the lack of basic composition.

Exposure, yah, I would talk about that, but just to make a point of it. I think for the most part the camera is going to be on auto in your students hands.

Good Luck!

Corey
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Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes.

Oscar Wilde

I would not even consider PP. knowing what the camera's different settings are is something worth explaining. Do you have access to a point-n-shoot? if not borrow one.

take a photo of the same thing at different settings and you'll see a big difference.

Teach how much better the photo will be if they take some time before the shot to get it right.

composition is everything

teach several ways to make the background better.

distance - move yourself - move the subject

be sure to talk about the "out of the head" problem with trees and poles and such.

When john q average takes a photo they ONLY see the subject, teach looking behind the subject to make sure the background is good will make you lots of new bestfriends.
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

I thought long and hard about composition and the reason my list was made the way it was is from my own faults/talents.
Exposure took me the longest to learn and composition (although I am not perfect) came easier to me.  Composition is like grammar to me, for the most part I can hear if something sounds right but I know the rules that vary from that.
The other thing is that a perfectly composed image is worthless if it's too dark or two bright but a perfectly exposed image can be valuable even with composition flaws if they aren't horrible.

Ok, this is what I did last night.  I set my camera on Auto and took my four year old daughter outside for some example shots.  This is what I took to compare what I am teaching:

To compare lighting:
One shot with her in full sun
One shot with her in open shade

To compare backgrounds and how auto exposure works:
One with her against a bright background (she turned out dark)
One with her against a medium/darker background (she is exposed properly)

To teach composition/posing:
One shooting down on her
One on her level
One shot with her tiny in the frame
One shot zoomed in with her filling the frame

I also took the best shot and post processed it just to show that shooting in open shade is likely to make your subject bluish and that they can use their photo editing software to warm it up.

I am focusing on shooting outdoors.  I honestly am not sure I would have much valuable knowledge about shooting indoors with a point and shoot with a pop up flash.  I have a swivel head flash that I bounce off everything from ceilings to reflectors to men's white shirts.  I use two flashes sometimes, and also things like dragging my shutter and high ISO.  All things I don't think a point and shoot does.
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good ideas!

Sounds like they will get a lot out of the class.

Knowing how shy and timid you are around people, you should be able to teach those points for a few hours...

[grin]
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

yeah, give me an audience and I am in heaven Smiley
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If it were me I'd focus the class on direction and quality of light, camera angle, and composition (a very simple version).
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.

Yeah, those are the things I was going to to focus on in general terms.
I tried to think back at all the snapshots I have seen people take and what little things they can change to make them better.
I don't think this audience wants a comprehensive photography lesson.  I thing it's a "baby steps" thing where they want to know what they can do or change right now to get better results immediately.  I want them to be able to go home feeling like they learned something.

I know Ed F. teaches photography and he mentioned once awhile ago how in his classes he would first tell them that after they learned some things they would be more dissappointed with their photography because they would see the difference.  I don't want that to happen, only because I have one class with them.  I can't really build on things as they learn them.  I have one chance to give them a bunch of tips that hopefully they remember.  Heck, I am still trying to remember everything before I click the shutter.
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One thing that I always find funny even though it's a bad habit; is people that won't move an inch to take a photo. Find a public place that tourists love to use as a backdrop and watch them. If they need a little wider shot they will lean backwards until they almost fall over instead of just taking a step back. They'll lean all kind of funky directions instead of just taking a step or too. Even with a P&S good body position and camera angle goes a long way. Teach them to loosen up and move around.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.

LOL, yeah I still do that.  Sometimes it's because I don't want to pry my camera away from my face to look back to see if I can safely step back...  At least I think I do that a bit.  I do try and wear comfortable clothes on a shoot so I can move freely - for example - no short or tight skirts for wedddings.  I try and wear black, in case I need to get on the ground, and long so I can bend and move and loose so I can move quickly or take wide steps and not worry about being lady like.  NOW - go shopping and try and find an attractive skirt that fits that description - doesn't really exist.  I try not to worry how I look, as I am not the one being photographed.
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Composition, composition, composition . . .

Very few of the people that you are teaching are ever going to do any post production.  They are going to take their images to MotoPhoto, Ritz, Wolf, Walmart . . . where ever and have prints made. 

They need to get the best in-camera image that they can.  They are going to let the camera do the exposure work and the focus work (right or wrong) and the only thing that they will really do themselves is select what is in the image and where it goes.

With the advent of modern AF and AE systems, even cheap cameras have most of this worked out.  The quickest way to improve someone's photography is by teaching where to point the camera and what they should see through the viewfinder.

BTW:  As a second subject, I would discuss the idea of taking thier photos to a business that makes it's money printing photographs.  The CVS wants to sell you shampoo and razor blades while you wait for your pictures.  The Walmart and Target want to get you through their doors twice so that you buy something else.  These places are perfectly happy to lose money on photography because they are going to make it from you elsewhere.
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Ed Farmer
Mount Laurel, New Jersey

www.edfarmerphotography.com
www.photoartsforum.com

Ed, that was a great idea about printing.  I actually made a list of labs for them that will do work for consumers.  I am going to explain that they do cost a little more but that they will do color correcting for them and use higher quality papers and printers.

I am going to spend more time on composition than I originally thought too.
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