Good deal, or not?

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OK, first . . . Do I think that 500ws is a little high for a small, home studio?  No, I don't.  Split into two heads, this 250ws each, MAX.  The pack will handle three heads.  Does it have to be set that high?  No, I would have to pull mine out and check, but if I remember correctly, this pack allows you to drop overall power by four or five stops, leaving you at 32ws with instant recycle time.  The heads are fan cooled, so there is no problem sticking them in softboxes.  Plus, I am talking about a starting with a system that you can grow with.  They won't have to be right on top of her subjects either.

Is $1400 to much to start out with?  It's cheaper that many other systems.  She has already wasted money on the lights that she has.  ISO800, 1/60@f4.5, with the main 3 feet from the subject and the image still looks underexposed?  What I want to Marian to avoid is spend $200 now on something that doesn't work, then $300 on something that she only gets a year out of and then $1400 on what she needs.

Ed
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Ed Farmer
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I'm with Ed on this one.  I learned what he is saying the hard way.  I tried flashes and cheap set ups for a while.  I messed up some sessions because I didn't have modeling lights or good enough equipment.  All in all, my current $1200 setup cost me a lot more than that because I spent hundreds on other stuff in the early stages of my studio's startup.  One thing to remember with most studio equipment, spend as much as you can possibly afford because it has to last a long time and do a great and consistent job.  If you scrimp on your pennies on the wrong stuff, you will spend more in the long run with replacements and repairs and gadgets to try and make them do what you want.  If you are too strapped for cash at the moment, it may be a great time to learn how to do some very professional natural light location photography.  A lot of photographers are running lucrative businesses doing this.

Susie mentioned that my ISO is usually high and she is partially correct.  I have no reservations about setting my ISO to 400, 800, and even sometimes 1600 when it's necessary to get the photo; however I am usually using these higher settings when my main light source is natural or ambient.  I have 2-320WS strobes and one 160WS strobe that provide plenty of light for me on most of my studio settings.  I try to use 100 to 200 ISO settings for these instances.

I also love to do children's photography and I agree that there are some unique challenges that you face, especially with them moving around a lot.  This tends to make us want a small aperture for DOF and a fast shutter speed to keep them from being blurry.  However, I have had good success working with f/5.6 because of the added DOF you get from the smaller image plane with most DSLR's.  I use a mix of camera on tripod and hand-holding depending a lot on how the child is responding to me, but I certainly prefer the tripod and remote when the kids will allow me.

As another reference for lights, look into Paul C. Buff's Alien Bees.  I have been very pleased with mine so far and I have no doubt they will be completely sufficient until I can upgrade to a high end set of lights that will likely last the remainder of my photography career.

Travis
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You may need to bring the lights closer. Umbrellas? Softboxes? do you have them.?

I have 2 white umbrellas, which I used for this photo.

ISO800, 1/60@f4.5, with the main 3 feet from the subject and the image still looks underexposed?

And blue. Tongue I have my camera set for fluorescent, but the picture still comes out blue. Of course, since I shoot in RAW, it's easy to fix, but I'd love for it not to happen in the first place. I don't want to become dependent on knowing I can fix it in RAW.

At the moment, I only have $300 to spend, so I'm glad to know the setup I found isn't what I need. Smiley Is there something for $300 that will at least increase my light levels until I can get my tax return? Grin

I also love to do children's photography and I agree that there are some unique challenges that you face

You mean, like this guy?


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Hold your 300 until your tax return, add em' together, that's more for your next piece of equipment.
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And blue. Tongue I have my camera set for fluorescent, but the picture still comes out blue.
Can you set a manual white balance?  There are times when I can't use one of the auto color balances so I'll get a gray card, figure out the color temp with a test shot, and then use that temp for the rest of the set. 
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And blue. Tongue I have my camera set for fluorescent, but the picture still comes out blue.
Can you set a manual white balance?  There are times when I can't use one of the auto color balances so I'll get a gray card, figure out the color temp with a test shot, and then use that temp for the rest of the set. 

I don't have a gray card right now (the dog ate the last one...) It's on my list for the next time I go into the city. Smiley
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How 'bout a piece of white paper?  I've seen a bunch of sport shooters use a white t-shirt to get a custom white balance. 
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How 'bout a piece of white paper? 

Hahhahaa...I think I can find one of those... Wink
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Are your current flourescent lights daylight balanced?  If so, you need to use the same WB as you would for sunlight.

I tend to be very, very, simple minded and shoot almost nothing but auto WB.  I never have a problem with my Nikons and rarely had one with my Fujis.

Ed
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Are your current flourescent lights daylight balanced?  If so, you need to use the same WB as you would for sunlight.

I tend to be very, very, simple minded and shoot almost nothing but auto WB.  I never have a problem with my Nikons and rarely had one with my Fujis.

Ed

Aha!!! I'll try that. My mind was stuck on fluorescents and forgot about the daylight balanced part! Duh!!!!  Thank You
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I don't always, but always try to shoot one photo per setup with a greay card. I shoot auto too and sometimes its dead on but sometimes its off a hair. (that I wouldn't notice without setting it in lightroom with the grey card)
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

Images need to be "Developed" DON'T be afraid of using camera raw in this case, to develop your image.
I'm really tired of people not wanting to use photoshop or have a "That's Photoshopped" Attitude.

Trust me, they did the same in the darkroom, though the effort was much more of a challenge

This is not a cut up, this message is a spurring, C'mon!!! :=)

W/B?
How about knowing when to set the kelvin to 3200, 5500, 6500, 7800 then there will be no worries about that Blah Auto W/B. :=)
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I'm really tired of people not wanting to use Photoshop or have a "That's Photo shopped" Attitude.

Who was the first person "looked down apon" for using "edited" photos???





don't know? think about it...........yes you know him.



It was Ansell Adams
NONE of the photos you see that he took closely resemble the original.
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Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

What's that gravy he called in the darkroom? How to make better B/Ws.

Hmm, that's easy in photoshop, it doesn't smell, you won't get splashed or dirty and, light won't kill the images.
Sit back, kick your feet up and play with a keyboard and mouse, sip on a cup of Tim's coffee, or Starbucks and edit images. What a life.  Grin  Grin
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Images need to be "Developed" DON'T be afraid of using camera raw in this case, to develop your image. I'm really tired of people not wanting to use photoshop or have a "That's Photoshopped" Attitude.

Rawr! Grin When I said, "I don't want to become dependent on knowing I can fix it in RAW" I was saying that Photoshop has made ME (personally) a bit lazy BEFORE I actually learn the correct techniques for my camera. Once I learn the techniques, then I can be lazy. Wink
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