Hey Mike concerning your comment

You said that Nikon SUCKED at anything over ISO 200. Does that mean I can't shoot an indoor event because I have a Nikon Camera?

These photos were taken in really bad light but they hired me to shoot it so I had no choice but to do my best.

80.0mm -- f/2.8 -- (1/60)sec -- ISO1000



86.0mm -- f/2.8 -- (1/60)sec -- ISO1000


 86.0mm -- f/2.8 -- (1/60)sec -- ISO1000
http://www.bobedens.com/hold03/lungassn-0803-4833.jpg

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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

Let's see the original file without noise reduction and resized for web.

Good try though   Big Grin
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I am A LOT happier with my Nikon with the higher ISO settings than I am my Olympus (although that is a pretty obvious statement).  The Nikon seems to have the same color noise, not so digitaly with reds and blues like the Olympus.

I do prefer my Olympus for bright light, I swear it has a better dynamic range than my Nikon.  I LOVE my Olympus, even if it is cheaper and not as hoity toity as other brands.

I've only used Canons with film, so I can't comment about that brand.
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I've noticed mediocre results with my D80 on high ISO photos, but mainly if my exposure is off.  Mike did mention that was a critical element of getting the best out of the Nikon at high ISO.  Bob, I would be interested in seeing a cropped section of the background.  If the woman is properly exposed at the time of capture, the noise will probably not be unacceptable (at least to my already low standards).  But the shadows will be poor, I'll bet.

I actually just did some indoor photos at ISO 200, and the shadow areas started picking up noise already.  I'm just glad I had my flashes to help light my scenes or these images would not be good enough for the publisher I was shooting for.

I am looking forward to a D300, they are supposed to be really good at noise control.  The D3 is being called the best camera for high ISO ever built (by some at least).  Oh well, I'll keep dreaming for the moment.

Travis
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My problem, is that I have no tolerance for noise.  I know some people don't mind it but I want perfectly clear images every time.  I actually need to relax my standards or something, I see pictures taken at weddings with motion blur from dancing and lights and I can't handle if I take a picture like that, I delete it.  I have a problem.
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My Dream is the D3
The D300 is a completely different beast, I haven't gone to the shop yet, but, I'm told the noise factor is way better then the D200.

I shoot mainly 100, but, will push to 400, unexceptable though.
Yes, it is the greatest factor, Exposure.

Glass helps to get the widest ap. 

I still like the user bility of my Nikon and is much better then the 20D I had.
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Yeah I had to run them through neat image, but what else is possible, 1/60 second is really too slow for a dancer but at least the motion blur adds some movement to the image most of the time. I was using an SB600 with a stofen at 45º f2.8 lens. nothing else to do but go up on the ISO.
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

I prefer clean files without noise, but I just don't let it stop me.  I will accept a photograph that has more than normal noise if it means I can get the light and ambiance in the image and tell the story better.  I look at so many old photos that are still considered great today, the graininess of the film is almost never discussed.  These images are great aside from that, so I try to do the same thing.  Of course there is a point where the noise can make an OK image unacceptable, but not getting the shot would be even worse in my mind.  I think it just depends on the final use and interpretation of the final product.  I shoot at 800 ISO quite often indoors, and personally I wouldn't trade it for low noise and a flat-lit flash photo, but that's just my opinion.  I will shoot at 1600 even, on occasion.  I hate using my flash on-camera and will take the high ISO image anyday.

Again, this is just my opinion for my photos; I have seen many great images posted here by people using flash.  I just can't seem to be able to use the darn things that well, I guess.

Travis
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