Looking at buying an old lighting system.

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It's cheap and I'm po; thus it's attractive to me.

It's a Norman set up with:
(5) LH-4 lampheads ( 4 are working and 1 has no flashtube and only two modeling lights- were used for spares).
(2) LH-2 lampheads
(1) snoot (used for hairlight or spotlight)
(1) 5-pb barn door assembly (used for background illumination)
(1) P500alm power supply.
(1) 200B battery pack ( non working - needs new cell )
(1) two prong adapter plug for remote triggering using PW's or other device
(1) two prong photo cell for remote triggering from on camera flash.
(1) old footlocker for storage
This system does not come with lightstands. (keeping them for myself).
All lampheads are working, except one LH-4 as noted.


I've priced a new battery for the DC pack at $128, flash tubes are $44, and modeling lamps are $4.50. I already have some stands and umbrellas. The whole kit, plus a set of ebay triggers and some reflectors he's willing to throw in; and drive 150 miles to meet me halfway for $350.

Has anybody used a Norman system like this? I know it's old, but if it works I'm fine with that.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.
"There is no Un-Suck filter" David duChemin

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the problem with old strobes is they are inefficient compared to newer models.

the ebay triggers are crap, spend a little more and get the one from dot-line.

Its really not a bad price for the lights, and will probably serve you well for a long time. (you can probably get a better price for the battery at a battery store, you only need replace the cell, not the entire pack) and you might be able to bypass the battery and plug them in.
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Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. -- Mae West

Chattanooga Portrait Photographer BobEdens.com

They have an AC pack already that I can run 4 off of at a time on household power. It only has full power, and 1/2 power settings so I'll have to use distance to tweak my light ratios too. It has enough power to run all four at 1/2 power, two at full power, or a mix of the above.

I'll have to look at the battery, but I think it's a proprietary design like a Lumedyne system. It's only good for one light at a time, but it's light enough to carry.

I already have some of the ebay triggers, and you're right. Junk. He also has some optical triggers too so I can use an on camera flash to trigger or upgrade the wireless system. He's bringing a box full of old goodies to throw in with all this. I think he's cleaning out the closet of stuff he never uses anymore.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.
"There is no Un-Suck filter" David duChemin

Check out the new blog. http://www.jklebphoto.wordpress.com

I may be too late with this- you may have already purchased the lights.  I'll write this anyway- it may help you if you have them and need a bit of troubleshooting advice or some tips.

Norman lighting equipment is pretty tough stuff- they are very durable and straightforward.  Some of the earlier models look as if the were made in a garage in that the ain't too pretty in terms of industrial design- but they work well and take a licking and keep on ticking.

As with any used equipment, you can make a good buy and have years and years of service or possibly end up with a beaten up old lemon that is on it's last legs.  Many of the Norman units were used in high volume location school portrait situations and have been dragged around for years with an awful lot of "mileage" on them. 

As far as I know the replacement flash tubes and modeling lamps are more expensive than you have been quoted.  Thing st watch out for on older units is carbonization of the flash tube electrodes- the is a blackening that forms where the electrodes enter the flash tube or a graying of the tube itself.  This can cause a red bias to occur in the final photographs that is difficult or impossible to correct.   

Other problems to look for are frayed cables and carbonized or burned contacts in the male or female connectors and jacks. If the unit has not been fired for a long time, allow it to warm up for an hour to give the capacitors a chance to reform before firing.

Some of the older models do not have anti UV coatings on the flash tubes.  You can get your new flash tubes with this coating and replace the envelopes on the older tubes with anti UV coated ones.

The Norman flash heads have good mounting facilities for umbrellas and soft boxes. If there are any mounting or set screws missing, the are easily replaced with 1/4 X 20 thumb screws, wing nuts and lock washers. 

I have some very old Norman units that I had neglected in the truck of my car- the were left there for emergency spares.  The outer cases were badly rusted and there were dents as well.  I plugged it in, let it warm up and it worked perfectly the first time.  It is now mounted on my studio ceiling as a low power fill source for use with my soft focus lenses. 

The portable Normans are built like brick outhouses.  The power packs are encased in a metal cabinet with a heavy duty leather shoulder strap.  The batteries are a pack of Sub-C Ni-cads which are in a very flat configuration.  If you replace them with the original type of cells you can use the Norman charger.  If you replace them with a 12 volt single sealed lead acid battery, you will need to charge in with a dedicated charger specifically designed for that battery.  Again theses units do not have very sleek lamp heads but they are very durable.  You can also purchase a Q Flash head which is specifically wired to work with your Norman power pack.  The heads enable a number of automatic and manual modes. The Norman portable heads can be fitted with normal, wide angle and telephoto reflectors.

Just to let you know- Besides my photography business, at one time I was building, designing, repairing and modifying electronic flash equipment.  The Normans were easily repaired when the occasionally broke down and were great for modifications.

Best of luck with this equipment.   Ed





       
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Ed Shapiro
The Hintonburg Studio
Suite 201  78 Hinton Avenue North
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA  K1Y 0Z8
613-792-4837    Email:  edshapiro@rogers.com

Thanks for the in depth info Ed.

I've already bought the set, but I've been so busy I haven't even set it up to try it out yet. I'm kind of glad I haven't either since I wouldn't have known to let it warm up. The cords all looked okay to me; I checked those out before I took delivery. I'll look for carbonizing tonight. The prices for tubes, lights, and a new battery came straight from B&H. It didn't dawn on me that I needed four modeling lights per head when I priced them. Oh well, I already have the lights.

He also gave me another P500 power supply that he bought at an auction for $25 but it never worked. I may get with you on repairs on this if your interested.

This stuff really is built like a tank. I think Norman must have hired some retired defense contractors to design these things. They remind me of surplus WWII gear. I can be hard on equipment sometimes so this is a plus in my book.
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"There is no Un-Suck filter" David duChemin

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Didn't find any carbon problems to speak of. Had to try them out and all I had to work with was myself. Hand held and sorta aimed using my reflection in the lens. This was just one light bouncing out of a silver umbrella.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.
"There is no Un-Suck filter" David duChemin

Check out the new blog. http://www.jklebphoto.wordpress.com

Looks good so far!  The image on my screen is a bit red- that could be my monitor or your color balance.  If that is the case on your screen, try to correct it in PS just so you know the problem is not in the flash tube. 

The best place for repairs nowadays is Holly Enterprises- see if you can find them on the web- I lost track of their address.  I know the have all the parts.  I no longer maintain stock.

OK- If you need 4 modeling lamps for each head, you unit is VERY OLD but that is fine.  Those are regular incandescent lamps, not the quartz ones that are in their later units. The B&H price sound right for those- the quartz ones are over 30 bucks each.

before sending the dead pack in, call first and see if they still service the one you have.  Theses older ones were made with standard electronic parts of their day and may not all be still available.  Also- before doing anything, check out things like the fuses and the AC cord- sometimes the problems are only minor.  If you do get it to fire up- be sure to wait a least an hour before firing- those capacitors may have gone to capacitor heaven a long time ago so give them a chance to recover- you may be surprised.  Those older units used electrolytic capacitors made by two manufactures- Spargue and CD.  Capacitors are supposed to last for about 10 years but I have ones that are 30 years old and still truckin'.

By the way- if your are not experienced with high voltage electronics, don't consider a do it your self repair project.  Theses units harbor lethal voltages that can cause, burns, serious electrical shock, nerve damage and even death Huh?. This can happen in some units even after the thing has been shut off and disconnected for the outlet. Besides- I hate the odor of burning flesh!  With older Norman units- Never drop them on your foot or use them in the bathtub!

Another precaution- Never hook up older units directly to you DSLR- some of theses older models have outrageously high trigger voltages that can totally destroy the circuitry in you digital camera- totally beyond repair.  Allways use one of those protector blocks between the camera's synch socket or hot shoe of your camera- or use the radio trigger- no hard wiring!

So send me a report or some images when it is all hooked up!

Ed
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Ed Shapiro
The Hintonburg Studio
Suite 201  78 Hinton Avenue North
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA  K1Y 0Z8
613-792-4837    Email:  edshapiro@rogers.com

Reviving an old thread here but I have a related question. A set of four Norman LH-4 heads and the power pack have come in to my possession, all work and fire fine although I don't currently have a way to trigger them from my camera. What would you recommend as a trigger to work with a Nikon D90? Something to suit a budget would be ideal as I'm really just wanting to try them out and see how they work for me, I may just decide to move them on as I am limited in space.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Chris.
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I believe Nikon has voltage protection built in if you want to use a regular cord. If you want to be safe any kind of remote trigger that uses a PC jack should work.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.
"There is no Un-Suck filter" David duChemin

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I highly recommend this.



Can't beat it for $60 Extra receiver is $35
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Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. -- Mae West

Chattanooga Portrait Photographer BobEdens.com

Bob, is that USD?
WoW, someone got ripped off.
Mine was the 16 channel delivered to my door from china, 50 canadian with buying an extra receiver.

http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/product.php?productid=16695&cat=274&page=1
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I have four of the china made sets.. (the eBay ones) and they are all crap. I don't know about the one you use Mike but it does look better made than the ones I got off eBay. That price is retail at a local camera store. 
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Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. -- Mae West

Chattanooga Portrait Photographer BobEdens.com

Nicknamed Ebay Triggers, they all are from the same company.

I get miss fires, but, that's what I get for cheap triggers. Certainly do the job though.
I also have the one for the SB800, one problem though, the stand fell over, flash was o.k. but, the cactus unit, the battery door busted. Oh well, still works, and it too miss fires.

Maybe saving for these might help;

http://g9chon.com/RS.html
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The above unit, for me, has NEVER missed, the ebay triggers for me were like 10% miss.

I'm sure Mike will ship them at a fair price.

http://www.superiorcamera.com/
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Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. -- Mae West

Chattanooga Portrait Photographer BobEdens.com

I have a Norman I have been working with now for 3 weeks and the results are fantastic. It took a little tweaking to figure it out, but what I would like to know, is What happens if I attach my Speedlight SB-16 to my D90. I have a slave on the Norman and want to be able to direct the on camera flash away from my subject. Is it going to fry the electronics on the Nikon if I attach it?
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