Lens Not Sharp

I have recently received about half a dozen emails and a couple of PM's from photographers asking my opinion on how sharp a lens is, whether one is better than another, or letting me know that they are having a hard time getting sharp images from specific lenses and asking for suggestions. . .



. . . so I thought I would post a summary of my responses here. I know it probably will not be popular because it is too simple and not very technical - - - just what I have found from a practical standpoint:


In my experience, much of the time acceptable sharpness has more to do with technique than it does the lens used. Some cameras do have a tendency to focus in behind slightly even when it appears that the focus point is on the right spot - this again is technique though and learning how to adjust for the camera so that it focuses more accurately.

If the focus point is right on a large subject and the image appears soft, then the culprit so often is camera movement - - - again a result of technique. To be frank, many  of images that I have seen where the person who took the pictures thought they were out of focus, were indeed a slight double image resulting in camera blur.

All lenses are sharper when stopped down 1 to 2 stops (a normal sharp range would f5.6 1/2, f8, f8 1/2). Expensive fast lenses are sharper than cheaper zooms when shooting wide open - however most all lenses are comparable when shooting at the mid range of f stops.

Another factor is what photographers expectation of what sharpness is. My expectation is that the negative or file  prints well and so I am not overly concerned with a magnified image and pixel peeping. I find that my sharpness requirements are fairly low compared to what many comment about on forums. If however your expectations are not overly high and you are not satisfied, then it probably is technique that you will have to work on - picking appropriate shutter speeds, taking time to focus accurately.

Another point worth mentioning is that all digital images are soft out of the camera (unless you are applying heavy sharpening in-camera) and I apply sharpening in Photoshop to every image that is printed and every image that is posted on the web. Particularly with web images, the downsizing of the file creates an even softer look that needs to be sharpened. For critial web images I even resize and sharpen at intervals of 1/2 size until I am am at the desired pixel size. The amounts of sharpening applied, need to be worked out through trial and error using starting points provided by different books or articles that can be found with a web search - - - and they are totally different not only for each application, but also for each different print size and the content of the image being printed. Sharpening is a learned art and there is not a canned answer to what is the best way to sharpen.

At any rate - most modern lenses do a great job for most normal applications. For portraits and weddings, I don't want the sharpest lens and so soften many images (using more edge sharpening for some detail and contrast). If I were shooting critical architectural images or other content where crisp sharp detail needs to be displayed - particularly at larger sizes - - - then I would not be using any of the DSLR cameras that are popular an would instead opt for at the least full frame digital cameras or more normally expensive medium format digital cameras - - - or probably shoot with 4x5 to 8x10 film and have it scanned. With film cameras and the best of lenses, I could not get an acceptable top quality architectural image at 11x14 and so I don't expect it from my digital cameras - - -although I have been surprised at times to have a digital file that does quite admirably at even larger sizes. And I have taken portrait images from digital files from 6 to 10MP cameras up to 24x36 for professional results. As always, it depends on the technique, content, end use, and expectations.
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Another point worth mentioning is that all digital images are soft out of the camera
Just wanted to repeat that point.  I've seen a lot of posts, not here specifically but elsewhere, where someone just bought their first dSLR having upgraded from a point and shoot and are disappointed with the softness.  Part of the control that a less automatic camera gives you is the amount of sharpening you do.  Point & shoot images by default are highly sharpened in camera so it seems that people tend to expect that level of sharpness from all digital images. 

One of the lessons that took me longer than I'd like to admit to learn is to resize images to the final size before sharpening.  I've put way too many images online that I sharpened the full resolution file before resizing down to web sized. 
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Another point worth mentioning is that all digital images are soft out of the camera
Just wanted to repeat that point.  I've seen a lot of posts, not here specifically but elsewhere, where someone just bought their first dSLR having upgraded from a point and shoot and are disappointed with the softness.

I'm very afraid of oversharpening and sometimes tend to err on the side of soft instead of oversharp. I wish there was a "histogram" for sharpness. Smiley
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I've put way too many images online that I sharpened the full resolution file before resizing down to web sized. 

I am lazy about that in posts here on the forum, but I have started sharpening images for my website.  I let my software resize the images and create the gallery in html, then I go into the folder and sharpen all images and save before transfering them to the web.  It took me a long time to figure that out.
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Sharpening is no rocket science, it's just a matter of keeping an eye on whether the image looks garish or not, if it's garish, just reduce the sharpening.
There's so much on how one or another does it, really, just play with the settings and you'll soon have an idea what it does.

Always has been, images need to be "Developed" you are still capturing the image when working in RAW, but, once opened in photoshop, your done capturing the image. The rest is all effects etc.

F8 has been the average for the sweet spot in lenses, I use it all the time for wildlife.
lately in the studio, F8 -10 is average for portraiture
ISO 100 1/125 @ F8-10 depends on what I do with the lighting.
Both the Canon 5D and Nikon D200 work similarly side by side in the college studio, our W/B is 4900k-5000k, I stay with 4900K warm enough.

Excellent read Rob
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I agree with Mike, Thanks Rob!! Great information.

I remember showing a 16x20 print of a red tail hawk to my friend who owns a camera store, I was complaining that it wasn't as sharp as I felt it should have been.

His reply.

"You shoot a bird 100yards away with a 500mm lens hand held, blow it up to 16x20 and complain its not sharp enough?

Most photographers couldn't keep the bird in the viewfinder under those conditions, you may be good but you're not that good. Use the monopod you bought from me a year ago and shut up about sharp... "

he was right.

only at super fast shutter speeds do I not use the monopod now.
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only at super fast shutter speeds do I not use the monopod now.

Nice step up from a dog leash...  Dancing
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Nice step up from a dog leash... 

laugh all you want, one day it'll be too windy and you'll be looking around for something to lean against... You'll remember my dog leash trick and thank me.... [grin]

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Nice step up from a dog leash... 

laugh all you want, one day it'll be too windy and you'll be looking around for something to lean against... You'll remember my dog leash trick and thank me.... [grin]



Hey, I already have one in the glove compartment of my car.  Big Grin
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If Rob thinks his solution is not so technical, wait till you get a load of my formula:

Some like it hot, some like it cold and some like it in the pot 9 days old!  Yup, sharpness is a matter of taste, preference and relativity.  Once I know what a lens will do in actual use, I assign a “personality” to it that goes beyond resolution tests or specifications.  In many cases theses technical statistics don’t relate to the aesthetics that certain lenses will deliver. 

There are many instances where extreme sharpness and/or contrast are detrimental to an image as in certain styles of portraiture.  Oftentimes I will select a soft focus lens that has deliberate and controllable “defects” built in to its design.  Theses defects, known as optical aberrations impart a soft or ethereal mood in portraits or even landscape photography.  I also have sharp lenses that are just a little softer working that are ideal for portraiture but may not be applicable to commercial work or macro photography.  I have some lenses that are un-sympathetically acute and would just about show the bacteria on someone’s face let alone blemishes and unwanted lines and wrinkles- great for portrait studies of old grizzly men but not exactly what the doctor would order for the ladies and even some of the more vein gents.

It is as simple as selecting the right tool for the right job- it’s not a good idea to use your expensive locking pliers for a hammer nor is it wise to use your high quality screwdrivers as chisels.

I have a 47mm Super Angulon (f/8) wide angle lens fitted to a specially designed Brooks wide angle camera.  That thing is 40 years old and it is the sharpest lens I have ever seen in my life.  I have to go back to film to use it but for architectural work it is absolutely incredible.  I was in my regular dealer’s shop and he had a beaten up old Nikon 85 mm lens in a bargain bin- it was priced at $25.  When I showed some interest in it, a being such a stead customer, the dealer intimated to me that it had been dropped in a lake and never serviced and if I wanted it for use as a paperweight I could have it for free.  I took him up on his offer- we had a good laugh.  When I got it back to my studio, I observed that mould had attacked the lens coatings and it looked pretty bad but just for fun, I stuck it on my camera.  I made a few portraits of the kids and was totally astounded by the results.  The images were tack sharp but there was just a slight “veil” of softness- just enough to break up the image ever so delicately!  I have been using that thing for 20 years- I can’t believe it.  I never tried to get it cleaned or lubricated, I am sure if anyone took it apart the shutter blades and the aperture would most likely disintegrate. 

A few years ago, I had a government contract to photograph various airport facilities around Canada.  There were a lot of control towers to be photographed and because of their location in proximity to the runways and terminal areas; I needed a very sharp telephoto lens.  I purchased a 500mm APO Tele-Tessar for my Hasselblad. What with the price of that thing, I was allowed to test the lens before finalizing the purchase so I drove out to the airport and made some test shots.  When I got the film back from the lab, I was horrified- the apparent resolution just sucked- all $6,000 worth!  When I examined the transparencies under 10X magnification I saw the camera movement blur.  Although the camera was mounted on a heavy Gitzo tripod and was well isolated to prevent vibrations from the ground, there might have been some wind or perhaps I had forgotten to lock up the mirror or something???  This lens is quite long and heavy and in order to maintain a good center of gravity it has to be mounted via its own tripod socket so the camera hangs off the back of the lens.  I went back to the location but this time I secured the camera body, by way of a Manfrotto magic arm, to one of the tripod legs, locked up the mirror, and squeezed the cable release very gently as I made the exposure.  Well, the images were tack sharp, I could see the fastening on the control tower windows from hundred of feet away.

The funny thing that I realized in retrospect is that there I was with state of the art equipment and did not observe some of the very rudimentary precautions such as keeping the camera steady, especially with telephoto lenses.  So, as Rob said, much of the sharpness is dependent on good technique. 

I almost seems, especially if one is a bit paranoid, that there are so many forces out there to steal sharpness form out pictures. Here’s a partial list; cheap filters, camera shake, mirror slap, external vibration, haze or air pollution, subject movement, condensation forming on internal or external lens elements, dirty lenses or digital sensors, hard shutter release techniques, smoke filled reception rooms and poor focusing technique (even with auto-focus systems) .  The funny part is that none of theses gremlins have anything to do with intrinsic lens design or performance or mechanical issues in the lenses themselves. 

As for my experience with digital gear is that when proper technique is applied, very little post production sharpening is really all that necessary- just a little dab ‘ill do ya! 

 :biggrin:Ed   


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If only I could have put it so simply and eloquently Ed  Clapping  Big Grin

You are right on the button.

Take Care Ed  - - - Rob replying from Costa Rica


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The view out my kitchen window each evening:
Rob, it's terrible that you have to live in such sparse surroundings Cheesy Grin
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Rob, it's terrible that you have to live in such sparse surroundings

Ryan - the key is being poor (part of being a professional photographer  Cheesy Grin) and having nothing (relatively - but mainly lack of debt). Like the Tico's here in Costa Rica, our priorities in life have been on different things than most. The sad fact is that the simple uncomplicated life that we have attempted to have our whole married life (32 years in May) is becoming increasingly  difficult to maintain back home as normal standards include having large houses and all the fixings that take so much money, time and energy to maintain. We have had a refreshing time down here seeing how simply a people can live and yet maintain their dignity, respect, quality and enjoyment in life. As we have heard, it is slowly changing here also though - so we will continue to enjoy it while it is available in this country - - - will be coming back for at least 4 months later this year.
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Hey Rob!  Good luck down there!  You are not missing much up here in terms of the weather- all record braking snow and ice stats. The weather forecast just came over the TV- more snow on the way! Wind chill -17 here in Ottawa. 

Please post some great tropical images soon- they will cheer me up  Big Grin  Great to hear from you.

Best regards,  Ed
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You are not missing much up here in terms of the weather- all record braking snow and ice stats.

So we have heard. Believe me when I say that we don't miss it at all. Especially after swimming in the incredibly warm Pacific Ocean waters with cool ocean breezes yesterday.


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The weather forecast just came over the TV- more snow on the way! Wind chill -17 here in Ottawa. 

YIKES! - - - haven't those weather forecasters heard that it March, winter is all but over, and spring is near. Oh wait - I guess they don't make the weather do they. Take Care Ed


Oh - and here I am at work!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWNkRejRNvU


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