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I figured I won't clutter up the board with all my trials and errors as I learn, so I'm going to contain my experiments all in one thread. Grin

The first one is from yesterday. Then Susie gave me some tips in my self portrait thread. So today, I did some more experimenting and the second one is the result.

I want BRUTALLY HONEST critiques here. It's the only way I'll learn. Smiley
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Suggestion, and one that I've been meaning to follow myself.  Go down to a craft store - Michael's, Hobby Lobby, whatever is around you - and buy a Styrofoam head.  It'll be a little faster to try different things.  And I may have missed it in the other thread, but are you using continuous lights or strobes?  If you're using continuous with a fake head you'll also be able to see what the lights do as you move them around. 
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I agree with Ryan, a doll can work too, if it doesn't have an abnormally small nose and big eyes (really, that's how most are).
It's invaluable to see what's happening before you press the shutter, you will save a lot of time.  Even if you have strobes some have a track button thing, it dims the modeling light according to what the strobe is set at, it's not perfect but it will give you an idea of the lighting pattern on the face in relation to the fill light, it also helps you watch for cross lighting (something I ended up with unintentionally on one shoot with how I was doing my hair light).

Anyway, Marian, your second image has rather flat light.
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btw, Marian, what are you trying to acheive?  That will help us with comments.  Perfect portrait lighting or just a good exposure and a relatively flattering light pattern?  Posing?  Background?

Let us know.
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One more thought.  If you're going to take pictures of yourself you need to smile. Smiling affects the muscles in your face which will in turn affect your shadows.  Not so much the nose or eyes, but it will affect the cheeks. 
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I see our portrait people are missing on the importance of what side of the face is to be lit.
So, I will leave that question open for debate.

Face is not badly positioned, I would have asked you to turn your face a little more to your right and I would have been a little higher on Camera Position.

#1 is the perfect candidate for the clue, wrong side of face lit, and wrong side of face in shadow.

Why?   Big Grin

BTW, your serious look, is inviting, you managed to draw in the viewer to you, nicely done.

Note, some serious looks can "Scare" the viewer, or may send a message like  "Blank" you.
A serious look, nothing wrong with it, however, make sure your subjects invites the viewer.

Marian, in your next series, remember to sit up tall, arch your back, sit on the chair/stool at 1/3 of it. It will feel uncomfortable which will cause you to sit up tall.
Relax your shoulders, and say "Pretty".   Big Grin
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Suggestion, and one that I've been meaning to follow myself.  Go down to a craft store - Michael's, Hobby Lobby, whatever is around you - and buy a Styrofoam head. 

I actually have a head. See below... The problem is, I light it, and she looks perfect. Then I sit in the chair, with the lights the same way, and I'm really dark. Tongue It's really frustrating.

btw, Marian, what are you trying to acheive?  That will help us with comments.  Perfect portrait lighting or just a good exposure and a relatively flattering light pattern?  Posing?  Background?

Of course I want to be perfect someday. Grin Again, I'm like a sponge lately, so I'll take all you guys have. Posing. Lighting. A good spaghetti sauce recipe...

#1 is the perfect candidate for the clue, wrong side of face lit, and wrong side of face in shadow.
Why?   Big Grin

Because it's broad lit and makes wider faces look wider. Smiley I put my attempt at short lighting myself at the bottom.

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BTW, your serious look, is inviting, you managed to draw in the viewer to you, nicely done.

Thanks.  Cheesy

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Marian, in your next series, remember to sit up tall, arch your back, sit on the chair/stool at 1/3 of it. It will feel uncomfortable which will cause you to sit up tall.
Relax your shoulders, and say "Pretty".   Big Grin

I had all of Benji's portrait notes in my head from his article he wrote here. Lean forward over your belt. Sit one butt cheek higher than the other. Turn one shoulder to the camera. Tilt the head towards that shoulder (unless you're a guy). No sleeveless shirts. Catchlights at 11 or 1 o'clock. If it bends, bend it. Tongue Smiley

This is sooooooooooo much harder than shooting nature, ha ha.
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I actually have a head. See below... The problem is, I light it, and she looks perfect. Then I sit in the chair, with the lights the same way, and I'm really dark.  It's really frustrating.

Looking at the exif data it's not the same exposure in the two photo's so your results aren't going the be the same. Your ISO went from 400 to 200 and your focal length went from 50mm to 18mm. You may be positioned in a different spot than your mannequin.

The farther the lights are from you, the harder the shadows. A longer focal length will help blur you background out more.

Are you using any modifiers on your lights?

This is a one light setup using two 500w shoplights and a homemade soft box with my daughter as the guinea pi...I mean model.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.

In my opinion the # 1 enemy of any portrait is staticness and sameness.  By having the torso, head and eyes all facing the same direction (1-1-1 pose) you can be guaranteed a static pose.  Add some flat uninteresting lighting and a "driver's license" facial expression and I guarantee the image will be worthy of one look before it is run through the shredder.  Smiley

We are taking a three dimensional object (a person) a rendering it onto a one dimension medium, that of photographic paper (or in this case a CRT) so we must add interest by posing the subject at a 45 degree angle . This will get rid of the horizontal plane staticness.  The we lean the subject "over the belt buckle" which will get rid of the vertical part of the staticness.  Then we need to turn the head toward the camera which will get rid of the sameness caused by having the torso, and head pointed in the same direction.  Then we tilt the head so it is not perpendicular to the spine (more staticness) then lastly the eyes should be looking into the lens (usually.)

Lighting.  Again sameness is a killer.  Flat lighting is sameness lighting.  Shadows create dimension. Dimension is good!

So lets add everything together and see what we get.

Benji

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This is sooooooooooo much harder than shooting nature, ha ha.

Amen sista!
Seriously, for me - weddings? no problem, boudoir? no problem, studio portraits - kick my butt.

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Looking at the exif data it's not the same exposure in the two photo's so your results aren't going the be the same. Your ISO went from 400 to 200 and your focal length went from 50mm to 18mm.

Doh!!!! I should've caught that. Tongue I thought I had it set to aperture priority, but it looks like I must've had it on automatic. Argh.

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Are you using any modifiers on your lights?

I have 2 continuous cool lights with white umbrellas.

Add some flat uninteresting lighting and a "driver's license" facial expression

Haha...you should see my driver's license photo! In my practice shots, I look like a Venus compared to that thing. Grin But I see what you're saying. Smiley

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Lighting.  Again sameness is a killer.  Flat lighting is sameness lighting.  Shadows create dimension. Dimension is good!

I think I went overboard with the fill light, now that I look at where it was. I'm a real visual person, and reading about light placement in books is just confusing my visual mind, ha ha. I need someone to draw (or take) a picture of where I should be setting up 2 continuous cool lights. I've read they should be at 45 degrees to the model, but is that in line with the camera, or closer, or or or.... *kabloooey goes my head* Grin

I had major surgery on my head when I was 5months old (180 stitches on an itty bitty baby head) and my brain is tilted (shut up, Bob). The docs say that I learn a bit differently, and see the world differently, than others. Tongue Yay for me.  Cheesy
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Is the lighting better on this one?
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I'm very frustrated right now. Am I using lights that are too weak? The following photos are taken using 800 ISO, 1/20th of a second, f/5.6 (the biggest this lens will allow) and I've included them in the following order: fill only with fake head, fill and main with fake head, me and fake head, and the setup (ignore the dirty laundry on the floor, ha ha). I've been using the bedroom for practice, because it's the darkest room in the house.
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« Last Edit: June 18, 2008, 11:06:26 AM by wildmaven »
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You've got exposure compensation set to -2 stops on the last 3. 
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You've got exposure compensation set to -2 stops on the last 3. 

Back to the bedroom!
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