OK You guys are the pros, tell me what to do next time.

I was challenged to take photos of "real women" instead of "those pencil girls that look good from any angle" so I had to say bring it on. The girls are happy with the photos (thank God, I didn't make any of them feel bad about themselves) But this is basic portrait stuff that I have little skill at, so I know these shots can be improved.

Three lights, Main ten feet from the model umbrella reflector, at 30º, fill 24" softbox 3 feet from the model with a flag blocking part of the light, hair light barn door and grid to narrow the beam.

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#5 (this is actually Andy my makeup artist, she is a close friend. This shot fits her personality)
pulled the image at request from Ben
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

Bob,

The exposure looks good in all of them and you caught some good expressions. Monte always said "ESP, Expression Sells Portraits!" 

Since black backgrounds are the ultimate in boringness for a background, (because there is absolutely nothing of interest to catch the eye) the subject matter had better be VERY interesting and VERY well posed and VERY well lit to make it work.  I seldom use them for these very reasons. Just like in baseball, three strikes and you're out, so if the background is unexciting, you already have one strike against you before they even get a chance to view the image.

Critique.

# 1. Pose is static. Leaning, tilting, and twisting adds some "movement" to a still image.  Short lit which helps to slenderize BBWs, but a deeper ratio like 3 or 4 to 1 will slenderize the face even more. Main light was too low.  11 o'clock or 1 o'clock is the correct position for the main light. The pose is 1-2-3.  A 1-3-2 pose gives the image more "glamour."

# 2. The hair across her face is distracting and casting unwanted shadows. Main too low and too far back as evidenced by the shadow in her cheek fold. Pose is 1-2-2 (usually unexciting.)

# 3. The shadow from her hat across her eye looks bad. Her hair on the other side has also cast an unwanted shadow in her other eye socket.  Pose is 1-2-2 (again unexciting.)

# 4. Best of the bunch. Good color, the boa adds some flair and glam to the image as does a little cleavage, but her body is almost square to the camera adding pounds.  Lighting needs a deeper ratio to slenderize her some more.

# 5. I don't think this image should be shown on a family friendly website and if I were a moderator I would remove it.

Ben
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Benji, what is this 1-2-3 thing you are refering to?

Bob - I think you need to work on making your lighting less harsh.  I prefer flat lighting to harsh lighting if it isn't done absolutely correct on the right subject.  The hairlight in the first and fourth picture show off the fact that they have some flyaway hair and I think the light is too bright.
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OK I'll show how much I don't know about portraiture.

1-2-2  means nothing to me. I'm sure there is a book somewhere or can it  be explained without much typing. Or give me a keyword or two and I'll search..

My space was really cramped, I guess my Main should have been closer. It was ten feet away and pressed against the 8 foot ceiling. (too hot to shoot in the garage)

I picked the black background to force the viewers attention to the subject, granted it puts more responsibility on me to get the shot right but once I do wouldn't it be better than a busy backdrop?

just asking.
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

Thanks susie, I don't feel so dumb now.
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

The old saw says a picture is worth a thousand words, so I've posted an image showing the difference between a 1-3-2 pose and a 1-2-2 pose.

The 1-3-2 pose is much more effective for women than the 1-2-2 pose is  The 1-2-2 pose tends to be more masculine and is therefore much more effective on men.  Of course you can pose the man in a 1-3-2 if he doesn't mind looking effeminate. 

Benji
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Thanks Benji, although I don't think you really explained it, do the numbers corralate with an area of the body?

I know and use classic feminine and masculine posing techniques with my clients, perhaps the number thing is another way of explaining it.

For the record, I never pose men in feminine poses and vice versa on purpose.  I know a lot of books and pros will tell you you can break the rule with women, but I find there are more effective ways to make a woman look powerful, aggressive or assertive than posing her like a man.  Although I think you can put a woman in a feminine pose and then change some of the little things like tilting her head slighting more the way a man would to get a certain effect. 
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(Copy) "....do the numbers corralate with an area of the body?"

Susie,

Actually the numbers correlate to the position of the body, the face and the eyes in that order.  The # 1 position is anything positioned so it is pointing at a 45 degree angle relative to the camera. So a 1-1-1 pose would be where the body, face and eyes all point at a 45 degree angle relative to the camera. This pose would be quite boring!  The # 2 position is when anything is pointed toward the camera.  A 2-2-2 pose would be where the subject's body, face and eyes are all pointed directly square to the camera.  This pose would also be quite boring!  A 1-3-3 pose would be where the body is posed at a 45 degree angle and the head and eyes are turned about 30 to 40 degrees back beyond the camera. This pose would look rather strange (although I have seen it before and I have even done it a few times.)

Benji
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Thanks for the explanation, it is just another basic way of explaining the position of different areas.  I learned using the S and C curves, although that doesn't tell you where to point the eyes....
a 1-3-3 would be just like the girl in your example if she was looking off the same way her head is turned then?  I do that all the time with brides.
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Thanks Ben!!! some times us country folk are a little slow.... [grin]
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Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

Given Ginney's feedback, I do like 1 and 4.
The middle two are too dark in the eyes. I dont mind the harsh lighting so much, just that the eyes are almost gone.

......Having been skulking around the site not saying much in a long time, you should know, that generally speaking, I like your work.
Glad you keep posting!
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.....Having been skulking around the site not saying much in a long time, you should know, that generally speaking, I like your work.
Glad you keep posting!

When will we get to see some of yours?
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Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

OY!

Have some projects brewing.  I'll put some stuff up when they're cooked a little more.
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