Pyramid Peak Panorama

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A little more explanation then:

I can only enter prints sized to 16X20.  The image can be any format, within the mat, but its outside dimensions have to be 16X20.  Therefore, unless the composition is in a 4:5 format, the mat will not be the same all the way around.

Anything that identifies the studio or photographer will disqualify the entry.  So my name will not be added to it either.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear about these things.  Maybe it would be easier (in this instance) to only critique the image itself.  Not the presentation of it.

Thanks,
Travis
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Travis, the image is great.  I like the conversion.  The only thing that is a little strange is that I was going to tell you that the there is a broken down piece of fence directly below the pyramid that catches my eye.  Then I thought maybe that was the focus... then I realized I only thought the focus was the pyramid because of the title of the thread and the other image.  Then I thought maybe the focus was the tree, but that's not it, it just nicely frames the image.  The whole fence is the focus?  Not sure.  I am not saying your image has no focus, it just doesn't for me personally, but I am often wrong Smiley
I can't even begin to tell you how I think it will do in competition since I am not familiar with them.  So take everything I say with a grain of salt Smiley
And personally I don't mind the mat the way it is.
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Looking back at the image I think my whole perspective is skewed because it is so small on my screen.  I am willing to bet this is the type of image that is SO much more impressive printed large.
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...The only thing that is a little strange is that I was going to tell you that the there is a broken down piece of fence directly below the pyramid that catches my eye.  Then I thought maybe that was the focus... then I realized I only thought the focus was the pyramid because of the title of the thread and the other image.  Then I thought maybe the focus was the tree, but that's not it, it just nicely frames the image...

Could it be the entire scene is the focus?  And your eye was just directed around it as I intended?  Smiley

Sometimes the point of an image can be the entire image, right?  What do you think?

Thanks for the kind words, and I think it's going to look much better printed large than web viewing will ever allow as well.

Travis
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A lot of picky people. Geez people, calm down.

Travis, sometimes a white border/mat also work for B/W, not sure if you tried one.

Anyhow, Bob, no, frame does not have to be symmetrical.

I've seen off set matting.

Let us know how you did with this one, looks nice, here, hard to tell the B/W depth, I'm sure the print shows a lot better.

Broken fence, so what? picky picky picky
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A lot of picky people. Geez people, calm down.


Travis asked for comments, and I assume he is pleased to get them whether or not he agrees with them.  He is smart and knows they are all opinions and I assume he will take what is useful and leave the rest.  This also turned into a good learning experience for us.  We are all now educated a little more about what competitions are about.

Anyway, yes, Travis, I do believe an entire image can be the focus if your eye moves pleasantly around it.  A good image can have plenty of interest points.  I agree.  And I wasn't pointing out the fence because it was broken, I pointed out it was broken to explain which part of the fence that was catching my eye, it's one of the lighest parts of the image.  Anyway, that was more in response to Mike...
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A lot of picky people. Geez people, calm down.

Broken fence, so what? picky picky picky

OK you little piece of pompousness. I am through with you. Enough already. You make every thing I say, and others say, feel worthless. Why don't you let the threadstarter decide if he or she thinks things are too picky and quit acting like your fecal matter doesn't stink. We all can smell it.
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Comments and Harsh Critiques gladly accepted. My photos are ok to edit.

My photos and art: http://wildmaven.org

If you can do it, why can't I, are you the only one allowed? Matter, are you two ladies the only ones allowed to speak OPINIONS?

I guess, you're both perfect, I forgot.    Big Grin

BTW, I have taken it easy on images that have been posted, time to be purely honest, it is a professional site is it not?    Big Grin


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Mike, I believe Marian is trying to point out that our opinions get belittled.  I know you won't see it that way just like we are probably not seeing ourselves the way you do.  I do think though that you can see how condescending you do sound sometimes and why it would hurt both of our feelings. 
I think everyone's opinions here should be valued, whether or not they seem picky to other people.  I wasn't pointing out the fence to find fault with Travis' image.  I had good intentions of being helpful.  I know sometimes people point out things in my images that I don't feel are a problem or things I couldn't help, and I have gotten frustrated before, but I just have to realize that I think most people on this board say everything in the spirit of being a helpful friend.  This board is a great resource and if everyone just says "nice image" all the time without further comment it ceases to be that.
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When I see such remarks, I say "What the heck" or "C'mon" it does come across as picky to me, in MY opinion. Then I stare for a while at the picky part, and find no issues, and I do spend time viewing.

Like everyone else. I just state facts, if one takes it as belittling, that's their opinion, like, when one takes opinions of an image too hard, right? right.
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Ok, that's fine, you are right of course.  Although I would like to have thought you would have cared about how you made other's feel.  You are welcome to disagree with me on anything, of course, it's how you say it Mike. 
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If you can do it, why can't I, are you the only one allowed?

Wrong. I am commenting on an image. You are commenting on the comments. Two different things.

Your comments to me and others lately have been condescending and rude. Why should I post here if someone is going to come in and say my comments are "picky" or constantly saying "in a perfect world"? Those comments do not help anyone, except maybe to make you feel/look superior.

Travis posted, saying he was hoping to sell someday. My comment to him about the black frame was an attempt to help him with future sales. In the past 13 weeks, I have sold 78 prints. I think I know a thing or two about what sells. How was your "picky picky" comment in any way, shape or form, helpful or constructive to this conversation?

And your post that used the "@#$#$" remarks in my "resizing larger" thread treated me like a child. So I wasn't getting what you were saying. That is no reason to go off like that. Did you mean it in jest? Who knows. But it sure didn't come off like it, to me, or to others.

I would love to say "let's just agree to disagree" to you, but I'm not going to. Your attitude on this board has already scared away potential members and made me want to quit and find somewhere else. I have recommended at least 20 people to come here, but, after checking out the board, 90% said that they didn't want to join and get bashed by you. I never even mentioned your name to them.

I tried to keep this to myself and, when it got bad, I discussed it with another mod here, wanting to keep it out of the public eye. However, nothing was obviously said to you, or if they did, it went in one ear and out the other. I'm tired of it, I come here to learn and have fun, not to feel 1" tall, and I can't keep silent any longer.
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Noted,  I will change my attitude.

"In the past 13 weeks, I have sold 78 prints. I think I know a thing or two about what sells."

I also know about framing/matting and especially print competition, which can be stressful. I've done enough of them, judges can be subjectional, it's more about whether they like it or not, to, "Presentation"

When viewing or commenting on an image like this one which was submitted for print comp, I believe we need to be even more sensitive. Remarks should come across as questions, I believe what is shown is somewhat different in tones to a final print.
By asking the one who submits and us asking questions, we might get a better understanding of what is presented.
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Noted,  I will change my attitude.

Thank you.

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I also know about framing/matting and especially print competition, which can be stressful.

I have never entered a print for competition, and don't know what the rules are regarding sizes, etc. Once Travis described what was required, I understood why he did what he did. I will keep this in mind in the future when someone says they're submitting the work for competition. 



Haha...pass some of that my way! Smiley
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