Victoria's Bridal Session

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well, like I said, she could have moved the bride away from the flowers and used them as a blurry background, maybe... it depends on the room she had. 
I wouldn't recommend never pushing the shutter, lol.  Sometimes when things aren't working out like I want them to I take the picture anyway then move on and if it turns out great, if it looks bad I delete it later.  No sense making your model or client think they are doing something wrong or that you make mistakes Smiley

The point is every photo you take is your responsibility. (If nobody ever sees a bad photo, then you never took a bad photo, because there is no proof)

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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

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well, like I said, she could have moved the bride away from the flowers and used them as a blurry background, maybe... it depends on the room she had. 
I wouldn't recommend never pushing the shutter, lol.  Sometimes when things aren't working out like I want them to I take the picture anyway then move on and if it turns out great, if it looks bad I delete it later.  No sense making your model or client think they are doing something wrong or that you make mistakes Smiley

well actuall the room wasn't that big. in front of her about 2 to 3 feet was  a wall with chairs (and we had to move the chairs) and we had a desk to the left and right of us so there wasn't a lot of space to move in so we used what we could.
ya i took about over 400 photos and i ended up deleting about 100+ of them
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I'm wondering what camera and lens you're using. I'm not a pro but on my "ancient" D70, I have the kit lens which is 17-55 or something? Not a bad lens, but not my favorite. If you have a small room, the 17mm would be good because it'd give you a wide angle...although wide angles are not preferred for portraits. (longer lenses are more slimming,etc).

To be a photographer is to have eyes in the back of your head practically. I was taking photos of my daughter (7 yrs) and only after I opened the pics did I realize her fly was open. I told her and we laughed. Luckily it was my daughter and I just deleted them -- but had that been a customer, it'd have been quite bad.

The photographer is in charge of the details...You're the one making the picture...it's your reputation that ultimately will suffer if you don't watch out for the details. (or you'll spend hours in photoshop pp-ing out the unwanted stuff.)  It's a learning process and I applaud you for getting out there...something I NEED to do!

This sounds like your friend so you have more play here, but if someone's paying you and you don't produce, you could be looking at a lawsuit.

You can't force people to do things, you can make suggestions. And the part that I'm not good at is making them think it was your suggestion. If the bride was sleepy, maybe have her bring her favorite cd to liven things up? Or bring some mood music your self to get things into the wedding mood...I remember percel's trumpet volunteer from my wedding...oh so long ago. Talk to the church organist and classical music cd's are usually CHEAP! (plus with all the stuff online you could probably get a kid to help you and get it for free?)

While being a photographer is a ton about personality and salesmanship, it's still a capitalist society...sometimes...so if you're not good enough to create the good word of mouth, your business will fail and there will be tons of businesses that willingly will take your place. It's a tough profession to be sure.

What you're doing is what I need to do...take practice photos of flowers, get my 15 yr old dd to model with a prom dress...ha...she's fun to deal with...probably worse than any bridezilla!

As they say, the devil is in the details. I think post processing is my absolute least part of the photography process. When I got my d70 3 yrs ago, I was ready to go back to film for the longest time. Now I've sort of got it figured out and the darned thing is almost obselete! But it's what I have and unless I show dh I'm trying, there's no $ to upgrade...not in the budget!!!
Paula
Edit: I went back and read the original post again and the 17 mm wouldn't have been enough for a full body shot if the room was that small...sorry.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2008, 02:38:21 PM by Paula »
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I am shooting with an Olympus Evolt E-330 with a kit lens of 14-45mm and another lens 40-150mm. I have 2 external flashes...a vivitar and a pentax. the pentax doesn't bounce...it is straight on and the vivitar bounces to a 90* angle....doesn't pivot or anything like that.
Well, lol, I wouldn't really call her my "friend" but we are "friends" to each other when we need a shoulder to lean on. She is my neighbor. I have shot her engagements and she wants to do more (since her mother was more in control of that one and wouldn't let me have a word in edge NO MATTER WHAT...lol). And I shot some of her cousins Christmas photos and I will be re-doing her engagements (not really re-doing them but adding onto the collection) and of course did her bridals and will do her wedding.
I made her stop at a fast food restaurant and get some soda and food to get a bit energized. I guess the Route 66 drink didn't help!
I know one tag along I went on, I saw the other photographers work and they did a lot of close ups of flowers, the ring, the details of the dress and I wasn't thinking about that. I had forgot about that detail so I made sure to kick that into high gear this time around.
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I did a workshop on one of your images. I hope you don't mind.
All has been said concerning your shoot, one thing though, with time, you'll not only be aware of the subject, but, you'll be aware of what is in the background.
I liken it as learning to see as the camera sees, that is, in 2D, everything is flat, and touches or grows out of people. Watching the surroundings will come the more you shoot. Good job though.

I especially like images like this one, it is natural, unposed, and I believe it is worth saving as an art piece like you did. As artists, million and one, some like, some don't. Esthetically it has a lot of potential, etc. again, it's learning different "POV" position of view, watching the backgrounds etc.

In CS3, in Raw, jpegs can be opened in camera raw, white point was defined on the greyish wall. Slight tweeking with temp and tint.
Open in Shop and applied Mike's Special Sauce.   Big Grin
Used the burn and dodge in key areas such as the roses, corners.
Removal of neck lines using the healing tool and Clone tool "Lighten" at low opacities, gently.


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« Last Edit: April 10, 2008, 09:11:32 PM by Mike Hodgson »
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Besides the fact that it hurts my eyes, ok so it doesn't exactly hurt them, but I feel like I should squint, BUT, like I said, besides that - it looks fairly good.  I like what you did to the bouquet.  That's what I meant about detail...
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Aside from the focus issue on this image, the thing that bothers me the most, as an artist, is that line in the wall behind her that is almost at the same line as the hair on her forehead. It's a little thing, but it's one of those things that draws the eye to places where it shouldn't go. Smiley I think if you cloned out the line in the blue section of wall, it wouldn't be as noticable.
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Comments and Harsh Critiques gladly accepted. My photos are ok to edit.

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I haven't been feeling all that well lately (broken nose, lack of sleep, busy editing photo sessions because my photoshop was "broke" for a while, and tending to a sick hubby) I have stopped the editing of these at the moment and will get back to them in a few days. i like your edit mike. i will have to try that. ya i hate that blasted line as well...it was in another bridal shot (with another bride) and the lead photographer hated it but couldn't find a good way to clone it out without looking "fake" so she left it so i thought I would leave it as well. i will try to clone it out though and when i do, i will post to see what you guys on here think
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I would leave the wall alone, we live in a perfect world, right?   Big Grin
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I think that line would be very easy to clone out.  I would use the healing brush except around the edges of other things.  Use a soft edge.
That is if you want to bother with it.
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I was just going to clone out the line, but then I couldn't resist doing my own edit.  I did a bunch of things... I cleaned up the background, and softened it.  I touched up some of the lines on her forehead and around her mouth so she wouldn't look like she was frowning.  I liquified a bit.  I didn't really adjust the color, but I did lighten it all over and especially the shadows.  I airbrushed her skin, liquified her hair to make it a touch fuller.... let's see, I think that's it.
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Susie, that's spectacular! Without that line, the eye stays on the bride. All the other work you did is perfect. Smiley
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Thanks Marian

The image wasn't bad, just some little problems.  I still would be careful when having not-super-skinny brides in seated poses.
One thing I would have done was had her straighten her posture and bring out her chin a bit more. 
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One thing I would have done was had her straighten her posture and bring out her chin a bit more

I am going to play Devil's Advocate here and mention that this was an entirely candid photo.  Of course, if it were posed, this is certainly a very good point to be made about her posing; but then you would probably not shoot from such a high angle either.  I just wanted to mention that because Teresa specifically liked the expression here and may not have been able to duplicate it if this hadn't been candid.

Anyway, I like what everyone has done here and I think it all gives Teresa some ideas on how she can start to look at images and see some additional possibilities.

Travis
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right right, I did forget it was candid.  Smiley
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