Website 101

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OK, I am completely clueless when it comes to building and hosting a website. I notice that most of you do your own so I hope I coming to to the right place.

I know I want a real website. Not a geocities, myspace, flickr kind of thing. A real website with a real email addy, domain name, etc. I'm not in business really, at least in the typical sense, so online proofing and print ordering aren't a priority. But I would like an password protected area for a couple galleries that I can change out. I want something sleek, unique, and classy looking. No gimmicky flash intro's or anything like that.

I also want it to be simple enough to use for me to be able to change out gallery photos or update info without having to have a masters degree in another program; or call up someone every couple weeks and have them do it for me. Also I live in the technology dead zone outside of Houston, no high speed access at home. (Have I ever mentioned how much I hate dial-up and how overpriced satellite is?) I do have a laptop that I can get wi-fi on. So if it's possible to do updates offline and then change the pages when I get to a connetion that's possible even if it's inconvenient.

So website guru's. What's my best options? How do I get started on them? And how much does it really cost?
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.

I've seen quite a few photographers start sites on Blogspot or Wordpress.com.  That has the advantage of being free, but also loses points for professionalism.  It's also hosted by someone else so you're at their control as far as if you ever want to move away.  Plus, there's only so much customization you can do. 

For a site that you have total control over you need...

1 - Domain name - $8.95 + a few cents in fees a year through GoDaddy.
There are other registrars out there, but I started using GD for registering domain names and haven't had a reason to change.  .net, .info, and .biz are cheaper and usually easier to find a domain name you like but I would stay with .com if at all possible.

2 - Hosting - ~$10 / month, although you can find it cheaper and much, much more expensive.
This is the server where your domain name points and your website lives. You'll probably be looking for a shared hosting plan using Linux.  Your best bet is to ask for suggestions from people you trust.  It's pretty cheap to setup a hosting company so there are a lot of really bad ones out there. 

3 - The site itself.
You can do it yourself using something like NVU or DreamWeaver. 

The easiest thing to do would probably be something like the downloadable version of WordPress (wordpress.org).  There are thousands of themes out there that you can use to find something you like and the themes are fairly easy to customize to get exactly what you're looking for.

I'm touching up a rewrite on my photography site right now and moving it to WordPress was part of the change. 

I've used Etomite for a couple of projects, and while you can do almost anything with it it's not a good starting point for someone new to web stuff. 

Joomla and Mambo are two related options, neither of which I've used enough to have opinions on. 

And then you could always edit the html files in notepad or another text editor, although that's probably got the highest learning curve. 
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Thanks Ryan. Any suggestions on hosting sites.
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-John
Sarcasm, frustrating the clueless since 3000 b.c.

John I'll post some suggestions in a while but need to do some work first...

Ryan, GoDaddy is evil. Wait till you do try to transfer away from them... Yahoo is much much worse. YOU do not own the domain name you pay them for, they do and heaven forbid you want to take your name to another host...

I use Joker.com which is in sweeden. They ONLY register domain names and ONLY manage DNS servers. They put YOUR name as admin and technical contact. $12 a year worth the extra couple of bucks to know I won't have to fight to switch from host to host.

John my comments to Ryan may not make sense, I'll explain after i punch out some C for da boss..
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"I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one heck of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult. "- EB White

Chattanooga Photographer www.BobEdens.com

I've used HostGator, but had a really bad experience with them.  It was a freak occurrence with their hardware, and they handled it fairly well from the customer service side, but it was enough to make me leave.  I was looking to move from shared hosting to a VPS anyway though.  

I've been with iPower on one of their Windows plans, but left when I wanted to switch to Linux.

HostCheap was the first host that I paid for, and they are awful.  Of course you could probably guess that by their name.

I had a VPS with VPSColo.com for a while.  The service was great when I first signed up, but they got bought out shortly after that and service went down the drain.  Plus, I was pretty much capped out on the VPS so I was looking to move anyway.

I've got a dedicated server with SoftLayer now.  Seems to be a pretty good price for what I'm getting, although it's way more than you would need for a single site.  

A lot of my ProofBuddy clients are hosting with GoDaddy and it seems to work fairly well.  Their control panel is fairly easy to use and I've heard that their customer service is good, although I've never contacted them personally.  

I would stay away from Yahoo Small Business hosting.  They seem to be a good deal, but there's a lot of squirrely stuff with their hosting.  It seems every time I've dealt with an account on one of their servers something new and strange has come up.  

What it amounts to is that most people are happy with their current host and unhappy with any they've had in the past. 

And a little more since Bob posted between...

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Ryan, GoDaddy is evil. Wait till you do try to transfer away from them... Yahoo is much much worse. YOU do not own the domain name you pay them for, they do and heaven forbid you want to take your name to another host...
I've transferred domains away from them and never had an issue.  Well, you've got to go through about 5 pages of ads for other services, but I've gotten pretty good at knowing where to click.  And my name and contact info is in all 4 contact fields.  Their info isn't anywhere.  You do have to jump through hoops to transfer, but they're hoops designed to make sure you are who you say you are. 

Maybe it's different if you host with them and have them handle your domain, in which case ignore what I said above. 

You do make a good point about who owns the domain though.  I wouldn't ever take a hosting company up on an offer of a free domain with hosting because they probably will have their name all over the domain to keep you from moving easily.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2008, 08:58:51 AM by Ryan Nutt »
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I'll be honest, I didn't read everyone's posts completely through before writing this.  I will come back later and do that.  But here is my 2 cents:

I haven't had a problem with GoDaddy.  Their customer service on the phone has been excellent.  Their hosting is inexpensive, although if you want a password protected site you will need deluxe hosting, but after having standard for so long I don't know why I didn't do deluxe earlier.  If you get hosting there I can help you with the password protecting, I just recently went through that.

I write my code in Wordpad, so I am no help as far as website designing programs, but I hear they are easy to use.

Blogger is better than Wordpress if you want to go that route.  I think, but you won't have an email address which I think is way important.  Nothing turns me away from a company faster than an email address like - businessname@hotmail.com.  If people buy hosting with dedicated email address for sites dedicated to the love of their favourite animal you should have one for your photography, I think.

The hard thing about websites and hosting is that there is a lot to it.  It will overwhelm you, but it doesn't have to.  Take it one step at a time and realize it's going to take a little while to get it all up and running.  Start by getting hosting, then design your website then upload it and then continually update it and work out kinks (that part never goes away, but it gets easier).

I just re-vamped a couple pages on my website and it took a half an hour.
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what is the basic cost of all of this?

I wanted to get a phpbb board up and get involved in backend computer stuff to learn but gradually get into it so I got a quote from someone that it would cost me $2100 for them to set it up, maintain it, host it, etc...

I felt that was a rip off and instantly made me want to get in the business. Big Grin
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I felt that was a rip off and instantly made me want to get in the business.
One comment on that first.  People say the same thing about photographers because they don't always understand everything that comes before getting the image. 

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what is the basic cost of all of this?
I pay $9.32 a year ($8.95 + a few fees) for each domain I've got.  GoDaddy runs a lot of coupons, so sometimes you can get 'em for $6.95, but it's such a small cost it's really not much compared to other business expenses. 

And I've paid anywhere from nothing to $175 a month for hosting.  If all you're doing is hosting a simple site the $10-20 range is probably what you'll be looking at though.  Free hosting is usually a no-go since they'll probably plaster ads all over your site and you don't want that. 

I don't know what you were going to get for $2,100, but it sounds overpriced for them to install an open-source forum program.   
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GoDaddy also has their templates that you can get started with and modify later, it's called Website Tonight, I think.  I didn't personally go this route, but it is an option to get you started quickly.  A lot of their specials will include an account so it's not expensive to use the templates.

Travis
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I pay about the same for each of my domain names each year, $9 and some change.  I have 5 domains right now. 

I pay $6 and some change each month for my deluxe hosting, you get a discount if you sign up for more than one year at a time.  The hosting starts at $4.29 a month for the basic hosting at GoDaddy.com.  The basic may be all you need, I had that for years.  I just upgraded last month so I could password protect a site, and have multiple domains with their own hosting rather than redirecting my sites to the one domain with the hosting.

Those are my only fees besides a computer and internet access.
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I felt that was a rip off and instantly made me want to get in the business.
One comment on that first.  People say the same thing about photographers because they don't always understand everything that comes before getting the image.
What I meant by that was I'm not that computer illiterate and could figure out how to do some of the stuff myself.  Not bashing or boasting, just felt used. 

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what is the basic cost of all of this?
I pay $9.32 a year ($8.95 + a few fees) for each domain I've got.  GoDaddy runs a lot of coupons, so sometimes you can get 'em for $6.95, but it's such a small cost it's really not much compared to other business expenses. 

And I've paid anywhere from nothing to $175 a month for hosting.  If all you're doing is hosting a simple site the $10-20 range is probably what you'll be looking at though.  Free hosting is usually a no-go since they'll probably plaster ads all over your site and you don't want that. 

I don't know what you were going to get for $2,100, but it sounds overpriced for them to install an open-source forum program.   
It was for the domain setup, hosting, and must have been purchase, install, and maintenace of the site.  At the time I looked into it I was seeing the same costs as you stated and wonder were the other part of the quote was coming from cause I wasn't seeing more than $500 tops.  For the price I was quoted I could have purchase all the programs and domains/hosting myself.

Thank you for your answers, I'll go back in hide mode now.
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Well just like in photography, if you are paying someone else to do your site you are paying for their time.  Designing a website is incredibly time consuming. 
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There are always going to be people taking advantage of those that don't know the technology.  Not saying that's what's happening with the $2,100 quote since we don't really know what it involved.

Susie's right too.  Building a website from scratch is surprisingly time consuming. 

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I'll go back in hide mode now
Don't do that.  Stay out and play Cheesy Grin
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Susie's right too.  Building a website from scratch is surprisingly time consuming.
I know that as well.  The funny part of all of it was that while I was looking into this another guy had just gone ahead and done all of this himself and hosted it on a server he has at his house and he did it over his lunch hour (that might have been an exagerration as it was 2 days later that he revealed an address.)

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I'll go back in hide mode now
Don't do that.  Stay out and play Cheesy Grin
I don't have a clue what most of the stuff is that you are talking about and I like to sit back and try to understand what it is you are talking about.  I am impressed by all of the knowledge you guys/gals have, it truely is amazing.  I hope you all don't mind but I don't plan on get into the professional realm of this but I still want to learn so I can apply it to the family shots I take.
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The funny part of all of it was that while I was looking into this another guy had just gone ahead and done all of this himself and hosted it on a server he has at his house
I personally can't see a situation where that's a good idea.  Hosting is getting so cheap these days that even the electricity cost to run a server in your closet is probably as much as it would be to just sign up with a hosting company.  Plus hosting it at your house opens up all sorts of security issues. 

Sorry.  Little bit of a rant subject for me Cheesy Grin

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I hope you all don't mind but I don't plan on get into the professional realm of this but I still want to learn so I can apply it to the family shots I take
Not at all.  The tag line I usually use is "come discuss all things photographic."  That certainly includes family pictures. 
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