Why is it that there is never a natural light thread going?

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until I come along?  Wink 

So lets talk Natural Light (meaning the sun, moon and stars)

Who uses it?

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My favourite, but, for education reasons, I have to use the studio lights, Tungsten, yuck.

I feel more comfortable outside then indoors.

Mike
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Next sunday I will be having an outdoor shoot. There is a new railway station to be opened on saturday the april 14 th.
I want to do it more often, so I first start some extra practice with a model. The only outdoor work I do is wth models or for landscape photography.
This is besides all the wedding photography, which is always outside.
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Theo Bakker

so you guys never do indoor natural light sessions?  Why? 
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Of course I do.
But I can't see the problem?
It is pretty easy. I sometimes use just a reflection screen and that is all.

Leen
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No problem here, I shoot indoor and outdoor as well.  What is a reflection screen?  Is that the same as a reflector? 
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I don't have the big windows, I don't have a studio.

I would rather work outside than in a studio.

Mike
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Gotcha Mike not having the light would present a problem. 

I just read that you are in school, that is awesome is it specifically for photography?

I actually don't have a studio, but do most of my sessions in clients houses or outside.  I do have nice lighting in my front room though so I use that occasionally (mostly when doing sessions for myself of my family)

Here is one from my most recent session in my house

ETA I need to figure out how to post here without getting compression issues
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« Last Edit: April 07, 2007, 06:40:04 PM by Amy N. »
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Hi  Amy.. Im ALL natural light.. ;c)  www.kismetphoto.net  check it out!  I love it!  I have lights now and am starting to learn them, but I will always be partial to the soft glow of natural light.

Yvette
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Hello from Wyoming!  Im 100 miles round trip from a McDonalds, a grocery store, a doctor... but Im awfully close to cowpies and antelope!

Hi Amy,

Yes, in College for photography. I mainly enrolled for the studio experience, which is pretty tricky. I'm out of my elements.
I certainly miss outdoor work, I like the challenge working with indoor lights, I'm looking forward to next year/term, Strobs. I'm having extra help here as well, when I post in the portrait section. It's been very helpful for me. I have fallen into a habit which will be broken next time I'm in the studio. LOL
44 and in College, I moved the family down here, so, it appears we are here to stay. We all like it here in London Ontario.

Mike
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Yvette, very nice stuff.  I am all natural light too... www.amynielson.com ...I love it too.  I did get a digital slave for Christmas but it kinda scares me so I stick to what comes natural (the lighting I mean Wink )  I would like to learn to use the slave better though.

Mike that is great that you are back in school, one day I would like to go back and get a business degree, but also take some photography classes too, after the kiddies are all in school so at least 6-7 more years. 
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Light is light- background is background and composition is composition no matter where you do your photography, whether you create your light in a studio, find your light coming in through a window or work in the great outdoors.  Essentially there is no difference.  A spotlight is the sun, a soft box is window light or north light and a fill reflector is  open shade.  The principles are exactly the same and if you can understand one you can relate easily to the other. 

Up here in Canada, I have to be a studio photographer at least 6 months out of the year when it comes to my wedding and portrait business except for the odd brave souls who don't mine going out in below freezing temperatures and pose for a few portraits or wedding photographs while in transit to the church or reception. Also, there is little opportunity to use window light when you show up at the bride's home at 4PM on those short winter days.  Personally, I love to work with natural light, out of doors when I can. 

I find my studio lights in the sun, in the shade and my soft boxes are under overhangs and porches.  I can frame my compositions in the trees or with dramatic architectural structures and I can isolate my subjects on a multitude of backgrounds that I will never find on a painted or projected background.

The magic is in seeing light- the challenge cordoning all the elements and coming up with a beautifully lighted image with just the right background.  The storytelling opportunities are limited only by ones imagination.

If all goes well on this new forum, I intend to post numerous articles on natural and indoor controlled lighting.  Of course the only disadvantage of natural light is that you have to tangle with Mother Nature who does not care to cooperate all the time.  So if you are gonna be a wedding or portrait photographer you need to be able to improvise and rrolll with the punches and let me tell you- ol' Mother Nature has mean left jab!  So stay tuned for a whole bunch of lighting information on the PAF!  Hay- we just got started here and it's already looking pretty decent!

OK Grin  What do y'all think now!  Grin

Ed Shapiro
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Ed Shapiro
The Hintonburg Studio
Suite 201  78 Hinton Avenue North
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA  K1Y 0Z8
613-792-4837    Email:  edshapiro@rogers.com

Bring it on!!! Bro

The concept you wrote has opened my eyes. One thing, I only know of one sun. What is the fill Light? it's pretty bright. It causes a second set of catch lights in the eyes. Some like it, the College does not. It is located at or near the camera, in basic terms.

The fill light, it's a bright light. I know it fills dark areas such as one with long hair, to give light near the neck where the hair is or to illuminate inside that area, to fill "Coon" looking eyes, to subdue the harsh shadow caused by the main light, split, Rem, Loop, to fill deep lines in the face etc.
What do I liken it as?


Mike
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Amy about the posting of pictures

For posting you can upload files to 700 x 700 pixels  without problems
Just use normal compression in Photo shop (7 - 9)
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Theo Bakker

The Fill Light.

The human eye has a very wide dynamic range.  In bright sunlight we can see details in the darkest shadow and the brightest highlight.  A photographic negative, since we view it by transmitted light will still show some detail in the extreme ranges- the sensor in your digital can recored a somewhat limited range if you check the histogram on the camera's viewing screen.  When images are finally printed on photographic paper, because prints are vied by reflected light, have a far narrower range.  To render a full range of tones in the final print it is necessary to compress the range of the scene to fit the paper's limited range.  One of the steps in this process is to have fine control; over the lighting ratio as seen on the subject. this especially applies in portraiture.  When a portrait is made in direct sunlight or indoors with a spotlight or  a raw flood light with a smaller parabolic reflector the difference between the highlights as compared to the shadows will be very wide- perhaps a ratio or 1:10 which is way out of range for the aforementioned process. 

The sun or the studio lamp will shape the face and create the illusion of dimensionality, the creation of modeling, as some photographers call it.  This is because the main light source such as the sun or a studio lamp is placed off the camera/subject axis in order to create light and shadow.  Since we know that the shadows will render little or no detail, the next step is to bring in the fill light.  The light source's job is to pump some light into the shadows to lessen the ratio thus compressing the range for the photographic paper. 

Since we have only one sun, things look natural to us where there is one direction of light.  If the presence of the fill light becomes appearant in the form of a secondary shadow or a second catch light in the eyes we get a disunity of light which looks unnatural.  Therefore, the effect of the fill light should be "invisible" It is usually a FLAT light source which is placed close to the camera so that it does not create shadows of its own.  It can be in the form of a second studio lamp or a reflector which redirects some of the main light onto the subject providing a fill light.

If I had to generalize, the fill light is weaker than the main light.  Placing the fill light close to the camera and lower than the mingle light was a basic rule, however the are now many more effective methods such as bouncing lights off the ceiling of a studio room thus creating a soft blanket of light that is virtually shadow-less.  There are also specialized electronic flash units that are especially designed for fixed fill light sources.  Theses incorporate large troth-like reflectors and diffusion material and light modifiers such as soft boxes.

There are many other sophisticated fill methods which involves mobile fill light units- this is called form fill.  To star with, knowing the function of the fill light is very important aspect of professional portraiture.  Since part of its job is to control lighting ratio, it is the light that will establish the mood of the image.  Terms like high key, medium key and low key are largely concerned with lighting ratio and background usage as well as color or tonal harmony. 

That is the basic function of the fill light-  more to come in upcoming articles.

Ed Shapiro   Grin 
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Ed Shapiro
The Hintonburg Studio
Suite 201  78 Hinton Avenue North
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA  K1Y 0Z8
613-792-4837    Email:  edshapiro@rogers.com

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