Wireless E-TTL for wedding formals

So far I haven't branched out in to off camera lighting for my weddings, and I know that I need to.  The flash-on-a-bracket thing works ok for walking around during the reception, but I've been unhappy with the formals.  Clients haven't been unhappy, which of course is important, but I know I can do better.

Over the past couple of months I've bumped up my collection of Canon flashes to a 550ex, 420ex, and a pair of 430ex's along with a couple of light stands and umbrellas.  Does anyone use a system like this to light formals, and how successful have you been with it?  Or should I just skip the Canon stuff and pick up monolights which I know I also need to learn to use better anyway?  I've got to admit the idea of being able to just plop down a light stand without having to worry about where to plug it in appeals to me, but not if it's going to cause other problems. 
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Ryan,

I know that Rob has used Nikon's iTTL system with multiple flashes, as I have.  However, for most of my formals and reception work, I have been using a combination of QFlashes and Sunpak 544s all set on manual and fired by Quantum Freewires.  When I was shooting film, I was doing this with monolights, but they tend to be bulky, need to be placed near outlets and with digital, I don't seem to need as much light.

I usually put upto four lights around the dance floor (or around the room).  This gives me great light on the floor and I can usually turn one or two and light anywhere in the room.  I also use one or two of these lights for the formals and even the ceremony.  No, I don't want to have a discussion about lights at the ceremony!  It depends on the church and the priest or minister and I often only use them for the processional.

I am slowly replacing my QFlashes with with the 544s.  They are smaller, lighter, cheaper and I have a few AC power cords for them so they don't always need batteries.  The QFlashes may show up in our classified section.  I just have to decide if I want to keep the Turbo batteries.

Ed
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Ed Farmer
Mount Laurel, New Jersey

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Hi Ryan again a Nikon user here. I use three to four SB-800 with a little device on the front that acts as a softbox, if I want it harsher I flip to the Sto-Fen and if I want it more then onto the diffuser. I set all the 800 off camera to manual and take a meter reading for them and use the on camera flash as a trigger. Hope this helps you out, you can get some great results but remember you are limited by the guide number.
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Follow up question about how smart the flashes are.  If I mounted two of the weaker powered 430ex's on one light stand, would the TTL system be smart enough to figure out that there are two and each one only fire half as much?  Seems like it should, but want to make sure and I'm away from my gear and can't experiment right now  Grin
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Ryan,

The TTL system won't care how many flashes you are firing from the same location.  All it will see is how much light is coming from each location and shut them off when there is enough.  Frankly, I doubt that doubling up will even prove worthwhile from an output point of view.  It will however decrease your recycle time.

Ed
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Ed Farmer
Mount Laurel, New Jersey

www.edfarmerphotography.com
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Well, I could be up in the night, but I did a large family group with two Nikon SB-600's on stands side-by-side in order to get enough light to spread across the entire group (42 people).  Honestly, I don't think it was because of the output, but because I was able to zoom both to their maximum (therefore increasing the GN of each), and rotate the second one slightly and get enough coverage with their full potential.  When I did this, I used a meter and set both flashes manually so I knew the light was even across the entire group.  I have had great success using them on TTL as well, wireless, with umbrellas, with one and two light setups, for smaller groups of 6 or less.  I don't know how they would work to light up an entire room, but they are great for having accessory lighting at great convenience and mobility.  I had a lot of trouble with this setup starting out, however.  I didn't really learn how to use them to approximate light patterns until I had my monolights.  I would suggest that you practice a few times before you just go for it.  The lack of modeling lights is the biggest detriment if you've never done much off camera lighting.  I completely botched a family portrait session I attempted while I was learning the technique (Luckily, they were friends and let me redo the shoot).

I say Go for it!  But I don't like on camera flash too much, so I really think it would be worth learning how to use your Canon lights.

Travis
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About 6 weeks ago I shot a wedding in a very dark church (go figure) but was allowed to use lighting for the formals.  I had my 550ex as master, which makes it a fill, on camera and a 430ex on a light stand at about 20-30 degrees off and a couple feet up.  These are, by far, the best lit formals I've done. 
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Hi Ryan, there is a guy over at photocamel.com named Mark McCall that swears by Metz.  Evidently he uses mostly it on a stand with PWs.  His work looks pretty good but as always YMMV.  Smiley

I haven't heard anything  bad from anyone who has used them for any length of time and their top of the line has an external battery pack and a guide number of ISO 100/21° (105mm) 76 (meters).

http://www.metz.de/en/photo_electronics/mecablitz_76_mz5_digital.544.html

It's out of my budget but in the range of some of the lighting you are talking about and this one you can put your camera on it too. They claim to be compatible with Canon and Nikon...

   "With the new, ultra high performance handheld flash guns from Metz you now have reliable lighting support during all your digital photo shootings, too. Behind the tried and tested ergonomic design of Metz mecablitz 76 MZ-5 digital and 45 CL-4 digital you can find the latest flash technologies for digital cameras: for example, the E-TTL flash mode from Canon, i-TTL and D-TTL from Nikon or ADI flash control from Konica/Minolta."

Anyway, commercial is over.  I don't own stock but I did pick up an antique 60 CT 1, as you likely noticed, and as old as it is it's amazing.

mike
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The smart person learns from their own mistakes.
The Wise person learns from the mistakes of others!

I've actually been looking through the Quantum offerings.  The way it looks, the FreeXWire can send the ETTL data through a radio signal so I wouldn't have to worry about the infrared problems with the Canon stuff, but would still have ETTL.  But really high on the pricing side, so it is pretty low on the list of equipment wants for now.

I'm working on learning how to light better manually, but I like having the option of ETTL when it's needed. 
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